and whether, for example, and bob's work points to this. a light wing tone to some of the religious congregations turns off younger people who are not as conservative politically as the older generations. and i think there will be a lot of discussion on at. >>ken, you and many others have noted what's going on, what has been going on in europe for a long time. dwindling religious interest. is that finally coming to the united states after 50 years of prediction? >> i think what is interesting to me this year is how much more visible secularism is. or nonreligion or unbelief. traditionally we think of churches and synagogues and mosques and we never think of this group of people, as kim said, have no interest in it. andit always seemed th they are a fairly small group, kind of on the edges. there is a study that came out this week that said unbelievers, and the religiously unaffiliated are the third largest group in the world. there are as many unaffiliated people in this world as there are catholics. it is a giant mental shift to realize th